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Episode 12 - The Message

Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby mboyce » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:33 pm

The texture on the helmet is the non-reflective surface that was applied to the helmets by the military, so the helmets probably had that texture before they were painted as a prop. Even the modern Kevlar helmets have this rough finish. Not all of the old helmets had this though which accounts for smooth ones. If you watch monies like Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan you can see the rough helmets.
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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby pennausamike » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:46 pm

mboyce wrote:The texture on the helmet is the non-reflective surface that was applied to the helmets by the military, so the helmets probably had that texture before they were painted as a prop. Even the modern Kevlar helmets have this rough finish. Not all of the old helmets had this though which accounts for smooth ones. If you watch movies like Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan you can see the rough helmets.


Agreed.
The Vietnam era helmets I have are still rough-finish,
but not as pronounced as the helmets painted for the Browncoats.
I used a two color process to increase the "texture" of my Browncoats helmets.
They look better than they photograph.
I also dyed the chinstraps brown so they would match the helmets.

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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby MedwayPVB » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:12 am


The link on that page to the Approved Metal Helmet has died, but it's now on a site with a lot of uniform info:

http://76thbattalion.dragonfyredawn.com/uniform.html

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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby Yellowjacket » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:33 pm

Is the Russian Helmet used by the 76th the correct helmet from the series?
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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby pennausamike » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:05 am

Yellowjacket wrote:Is the Russian Helmet used by the 76th the correct helmet from the series?


No.
They definitely used the American pot helmet with fiber liner in the series.
In several screencaps, you can distinctly see the two parts at the bill of the helmet.

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American helmets go for $30 to $50 generally for Vietnam era and newer.
Naturally, there are collectible versions (front versus rear seams, different bale locations, WWII etc)
but that is the general range for plain ol' surplus.
The Russian helmets were going for twenty bucks or so at the time the 76th set up their group.
So, it was a, "close enough" to keep it cheap, choice.

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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby Yellowjacket » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:10 am

That's what I thought, so I'm glad I asked. Is there a specific number or designation for the American Helmet?
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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby pennausamike » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:55 am

Yellowjacket wrote:That's what I thought, so I'm glad I asked.
Is there a specific number or designation for the American Helmet?


Not that I know of.
I've purchased three American helmets on eBay for, I think, less than $40.00 each.
But that took a lot of watch list saving and being outbid.
I bought a liner from a surplus place once, but it was incomplete and warped into un-use-ability.
(I don't mind spending money, but I hate wasting money.)
I like eBay because generally, you are bidding on the item in the pictures.
I have also seen that a Chinese company is making a reproduction of the two part U.S. helmet.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-US-ARMY-M1 ... 5405e9aab8

$38 plus $13 shipping; $52.00 is pretty good for a brand new helmet.

The key is to make sure you are getting a steel pot and a plastic/ fiber helmet liner
with the suspension system.
I've seen just the metal pots, I've seen gutted liners;
so make sure you know what all you are looking for before you buy.

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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby Yellowjacket » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:35 pm

I was looking at a picture of Danny Nero, the actor who played an Independent extra in The Message, and noticed that he wears an M1 with no liner. Just the tin pot. This made me curious, so I started going through screen caps to see if any other Independents were wearing the tin pot by itself, and sure enough, quote a few of them aren't wearing the liner. /In fact, it appears that the Lieutenant in the Message isn't wearing one, but the guy who gets shot next to Mal in Serenity is, so for those out there who want to wear it either way, it's canon.
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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby pennausamike » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:00 pm

Wellll, there isn't any suspension system in the metal pot, so you can't really "wear" just the pot alone.
I'm guessing wardrobe had to put some kind of padding in the metal pot to make it wearable.
So for all intents and purposes, the liner can be worn without the pot,
but the pot can't be worn without the liner.

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Re: Tracey's Helmet

Postby Yellowjacket » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:52 pm

Yeah, I'm not arguing the practical aspects, just the visual. Interesting enough, I think the absence of the pot on the Lieutenant makes the helmet sit lower and make him look more childlike, which only adds to his terrified look.

"Got ten pretty fingers on his hands like the most of men, but he's screaming like they're gone, crying. He ain't said a word in two hours."
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