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New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby ssdesigner » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:04 pm

Didn't see this posted yet. Can anyone here speak to this? Accuracy?

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=243367
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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby pennausamike » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:59 pm

ssdesigner wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. Can anyone here speak to this? Accuracy?

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=243367


Well, there are only THREE Mal pistols that matter in my opinion.
The cast off screen-used phillipes,
the first metal Mal, the Sidkit,
and the last word brass Mal, Badger's 47 and 47a.

If I read the post right, the person who is doing the run teamed up with Sidero's old partner
to brass plate and assemble the final, remaining pistols from Sid's original run.
If that is the case, the serial numbers on the Firefly version should run 236-250,
and the SERENITY version should be 41-50,
as I remember the original quantities.

If this is true, or they are using original molds,
I recommend the Sidkit Mal for both accuracy and handling durability.
I don't think the soft pewter works particularly well carried in a holster for costuming.
There was a big hullabaloo years back that the Sidkit was recast off the phillipes,
and I think Sidero patterned elements off the phillipes;
but at the time I owned both pistols; and in a number of dimensions, the Sidkit was larger.
And things don't shrink bigger in my experience.

If you've always wanted a metal Mal, I ythink this is a good choice.

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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby keelhauler » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:39 pm

pennausamike wrote:
ssdesigner wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. Can anyone here speak to this? Accuracy?

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=243367


Well, there are only THREE Mal pistols that matter in my opinion.
The cast off screen-used phillipes,
the first metal Mal, the Sidkit,
and the last word brass Mal, Badger's 47 and 47a.

If I read the post right, the person who is doing the run teamed up with Sidero's old partner
to brass plate and assemble the final, remaining pistols from Sid's original run.
If that is the case, the serial numbers on the Firefly version should run 236-250,
and the SERENITY version should be 41-50,
as I remember the original quantities.

If this is true, or they are using original molds,
I recommend the Sidkit Mal for both accuracy and handling durability.
I don't think the soft pewter works particularly well carried in a holster for costuming.
There was a big hullabaloo years back that the Sidkit was recast off the phillipes,
and I think Sidero patterned elements off the phillipes;
but at the time I owned both pistols; and in a number of dimensions, the Sidkit was larger.
And things don't shrink bigger in my experience.

If you've always wanted a metal Mal, I ythink this is a good choice.

Mike


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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby ssdesigner » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:16 pm

Mike,

I really appreciate the info, THANK YOU. This run is a bit of a dream come true for many of us that ventured out into the black a little later than others.

I see a number of people interested in getting this in finished, but "kit" form. Is there any light you can shed on this? Pro's vs. cons? If I get it in kit form, can I assemble it BETTER than they would? What level of skill would be needed to finish it in your opinion?

Thanks again, Mike.

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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby Joatrash » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:24 pm

As I recall the Sidkits were screw-together affairs that you could finish in a couple hours or at most, an evening. I actually signed up to get one of the remaining Serenity versions. I WAS planning on doing an all-brass version myself eventually, but with the enormous drop in Verse prop interest and my already over-full schedule, I'd rather spend time doing new or unseen stuff than old.

About the whole possible recasting-thing... if I remember correctly there was ONE detail that was suspiciously similar to Phil's and that was the two tiny rivets on the magazine. The way they were pointed/compressed matched his casting enough to raise suspicions. But other than that they were very different. There's a photo of mine somewhere with four different versions and you can clearly see the differences.
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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby pennausamike » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:45 am

For a good deal of info on how I built my Sidkit
(tho' not step-by-step instructions)
check out the pages on my collection thread:
http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3541
I have info on several pages.

Mike

For example:

pennausamike wrote:OK, I'm starting my Sidkit Mal pistol:

Step One:

I attached the one side panel to the frame with the set screws.
As I've noted elsewhere, set screws are not for clamping pieces together.
If the threads don't realign perfectly, the set screw acts like a jackscrew and
lifts one piece off the other, instead of clamping them together.
So, I poured JB Weld epoxy between the frame and the side panel to strengthen it.
The plastic bags will contain the JB Weld while it sets (for about 8 hours).
Once the epoxy cures, the bag pieces will peel off.

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In the background is the other Sidkit and the two spare mags with the scrolls glued on.
Once they set, I'll clean up the glue that pushed out of the slot.

To the right is the internal barrel sleeve I made sitting next to the Sidkit barrel face.
The sleeve means you can look down the barrel and see...barrel.

Next step:
Drilled and tapped the shrouds for the set screws to hold the thumbscrews.
I hand drilled the knurled knobs and the frame mounting dimples for a 4-40 X 1/2"L set screws on the first Mal pistol.
Even the QMx knurled knobs are glued on.
Mine came with one detached; I glued it back on.
This lousy picture got worse when it converted to a JPEG
I have the tap size listed as either 3mm (Badger thumbscrews) or 4-40
which is what I drilled the Sidkit thumbscrews.

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The top pistol in the pic below has the Sidkit thumbscrews,
the lower example has the nickel-plated-brass thumbscrews.

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And then on to the barrel:
here is the C-clamp and 12" scale mounting fixture I used.
Most of this is easily done with hand tools.
I'll post better in process pics.
As an example, I "drilled" the hole in the frame halves for the shoulder bolt with a big rat tail file.
The shoulder bolt should be replaced with a 3/8"-16 X 1/2"L SHCS (socket head cap screw).
My Sidkit Mals are bolted and glued wherever possible.

My barrel alignment fixture was made out of 2 C-clamps, a 12" steel scale and a correct height spacer to hold the barrel until the glue set.


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The scale is aligned to the bulged part of the shrouds and
sets a straight line in addition to serving as a holding fixture.
The brass spacer is just something from my hardware collection the happened to be the right size.

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I don't put a lot of glue in at first, in case I have to re-seat the barrel
if it doesn't turn out to be as straight as I thought.
I'll pile more glue in tomorrow.

After I built up the JBWeld around the barrel mounting lug and the frame on the inside,
I glued on the other half of the main body/ receiver.
I did this in a couple of steps to avoid just pouring a bunch of glue in the body.
I packed pieces of sandwich bags around the JB Weld to contain it until it dried, same as before.
I glue the two frame attachment points because my friend's Sidkit showed up bowed inward at the top; a result of how soft the main material is.

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Next, I'll fill some seams and clean up the outer surface.
Then I'll start attaching the last shroud pieces, the top, front sight, etc.

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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby namebrand » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:24 pm

Nice to see someone trying to trash the 47A in the thread on RPF...
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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby Badger » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:57 pm

I can't access the RPF....

What is he/she saying about my beloved 47A?


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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby namebrand » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:13 pm

That the shape of the frame is wrong, and implying that it's meh even as a display piece.
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Re: New Sidkit Mal Pistol?

Postby Badger » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:46 pm

I think a few people might disagree.....

The new digital models were made referencing pieces made by Applied Effects as part of the run of parts of the two original pistols. Brass shells, and waterjet cut steel gripframes.

If the 47's 'Meh', what does this person thinks might be a good representation of Mal's pistol?


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