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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Badger » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:31 pm

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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Yellowjacket » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:10 am

I like the sight. And for the record, if we have to wait longer to get more interest, I personally don't mind waiting. I've handled a 47A, but I never got one, so it's worth the wait to see this done.
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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Badger » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:32 am

Interest on this is coming very slow indeed.

I'm going to finish the model, mock up the final form and photograph it. If John has the available time I'll see if we can get a photoshopped picture.
There's still a ways to go with the models to get them 'foundry ready'.
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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Yellowjacket » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:28 pm

That's just it, interest isn't building slowly. Like all of your projects, I'm positively certain it isn't about lack of interest. There are people on this site that want nearly everything you make, but life before hobby, so too many of us have to figure out the HOW and the IF not the WANT. A lot of the time we're reduced to mere coveting, because you make beautiful things and we have to pass on far too many of them. In a perfect world, you could retire from all other fandoms but ours and we'd support every project that came down the pike. This would also extend to every other artisan on here.

I talk to Browncoats the world over who are of three camps. The ones who know of your work and are lucky to have the bragging rights of owning one or two of your finished pieces over the years. The ones who have known of your work or are just finding it now and wish they could afford it. And the last camp, the ones that are blissfully ignorant of your work and will some day fall into the other two camps.

Me, I'm in the middle of the first two. I can't afford it, but you better be damn sure I'm going to come up with it.
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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Badger » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:07 pm

Thanks YJ,

I understand of course. Life isn't perfect.
But I can only do what I can do. try to make good stuff at the best price I can.

Mike's mention of a resin kit has a lot of merit. Let's look at it.

One major issue is the clicker mechanism. The trigger and triggerguard just won't be strong enough to take the hammering if they are cast resin.
This means that I'll need to have those parts foundry cast in aluminum. If we're doing that, then it may be best to have the whole frame cast, then it'll be strong.

The grips will be cast resin, of course. But it may be possible to cast them in a 'woody' material.

I would love to offer the other 'brass' parts in a brass filled resin, but that may be impractical.
They could be cast in a clear resin which can be coloured with a metal flake powder to at least give a brassy appearance.

Thoughts?
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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Badger » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:26 pm

Possible offer a resin kit with a sprung trigger, instead of the clicking version.


Hmmm...............
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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Yellowjacket » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:22 pm

I still want the first version, but if you only go the aluminum/resin route, I'm still in.
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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby pennausamike » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:31 am

Badger wrote:Thanks YJ,
SNIP
try to make good stuff at the best price I can.


This is harder to achieve than some people appreciate.
The only way to make something cheaper, is to make it less good-er.
As a craftsman/ creator, the question becomes at what point is something so less good
that said craftsman doesn't want his name on it?
Or it isn't rewarding to create THAT?
Only the person initiating the project can answer those questions.

But as for me, I'm looking for a pure display piece, with minimal "phew, phew" usage.

Badger wrote:(brutally edited more than a true quote)
resin kit has a merit.

clicker mechanism. won't be strong enough to take the hammering if they are cast resin.
those parts foundry cast in aluminum.

The grips will be cast resin, of course. But it may be possible to cast them in a 'woody' material.

I would love to offer the other 'brass' parts in a brass filled resin,

Thoughts?


For a display piece, I don't need a clicking trigger.
And to be honest, I nearly never pull them on my Sidkit or Denix pistols because of fear of them breaking.
I was looking for the one piece body of the pistol to bring the price into the "everybody should be able to afford one" level,
and I was looking at the separately cast grips so that those who are so inclined could replace them with real wood.
The features mentioned above
(cast aluminum, Robstyle type artificial wood grips, brass impregnated resin)
bring the prop back up into the realm of a reasonably pricey item,
when I admit, I'm thinking bargain basement do it yourself kit.
And I totally respect that a craftsman/ creator may not derive much satisfaction from the creation of that product.

My original thought was that a run of resin kits might help finance the real metal replica,
but I realize now that 100 resin kits sold for $40 over cost would STILL only pay for half
the real metal project,
and I don't think selling 100 EU Firefly resin kits is a reasonable expectation.

I wonder what the interest is at the $100 budget level, the $200 mid level and the $400 best level;
and then I just hope Badger can find an audience for the item he wanted to build in the first place.

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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Badger » Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:44 am

OK, Thanks Mike,

I'm starting a new thread for this.

I'm going to continue the metal Hero version thread here, so please do chime in.


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Re: Mal Snub/concealment/backup pistol. Ideas?

Postby Goodwolf » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:05 am

I *really* love this idea.
May have been on the losin' side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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