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Re: Model 47 help

Postby zaebra » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:19 pm

has anyone tried using a 3D printer to produce a 47..? there are sites where you can upload a 3D model and just print it out, even in aluminum... just sayin. i have no idea how much it'd cost, though.

what about a conversion kit for a real firearm? perhaps a bolt-on kit might sidestep the licensing problems..? sure, it'd add the cost of a donor gun, but i think some fans would be willing to do that. this vermilion revolver (i think it's from a shirow anime, not sure) is one example: http://www.yourprops.com/Vermillion-PIstol-other-replicas-prop-weapons-anime-prop-10958.html

the holy grail (or would that be "excalibur"?) of Mal pistols would be a fully-functional firearm, but that would definitely include some gunsmithing on the donor gun (threading on a longer barrel, at the bare minimum). i'm curious if anyone has made such a thing, outside of the original screen props. even if it just fired blanks, it'd still win all the cool points. :) i'm sure it'd be somewhere in the neighborhood of "new car" price, though.

as a qualifier to the above, i'm a complete amateur in propmaking and/or gunsmithing, so i have no idea how difficult any of it would be. i just have the imagination of a twelve year old, so i can't help but think "yeah, i totally want a gun like that, but i want it to shoot real bullets, too!". it's probably unrealistic or unrealistically expensive, but a guy can dream, right? :)

i have to admit that my love of props extends beyond firefly (but only just), so it'd be a tough call to decide if i wanted a working 47 or a 2019 from blade runner.. if i could only have one, that'd be the toughest decision i'd ever have to make!
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Re: Model 47 help

Postby Badger » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:47 pm

Any commercial production of any version of the Mal pistol, TV or movie, is in violation of the QMx license.

I'm sure you could make one for yourself without a problem, but try to sell any and you will be legally shit-bombed.

'Cease and desist' order to start with, at the very least.

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Re: Model 47 help

Postby Jameth » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:43 pm

The idea of a real gun conversion I used to think was cool, however I don't want to have it locked up. I want it out, displayed, and I play with my props. No, "Never handled" in my house, and I have pets. Just for fun I light up a cigarette and ex hail on the prop. Sorry, little prop selling joke.

I take care of them but I handle my props all the time.

In the case of Blade Runner for it to be a true Blade Runner gun it has to have a very poor quality base gun. It has problems about the time other guns are getting broken in.

I saw a really awesome real Blade Runner gun, and incredible real Pulse Rifle with a real Remington 12 gauge underneath and a real functioning fully auto Thompson as a base. Ubber cool, incredibly expensive and no way could that be on display. Even if I took parts out the wife would say no and she's right.

I decided not to ever try it just cause I like to play with them too much.

Having said all that I was studying the Taurus 85 and yes I think it's very possible to make an actual firing replica. I actually think it would be much easier than the Blade Runner which has about 50,000 reasons why it's really hard to make into a real gun.

I think Mals would actually not be that hard. Taurus 85s go for about $300. Not to bad.
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Re: Model 47 help

Postby zaebra » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:07 pm

i have no kids, so that wouldn't be a problem for me. :) would an add-on kit violate the qmx license..?
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Re: Model 47 help

Postby Badger » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:15 pm

If you sell it, yes.

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Re: Model 47 help

Postby Jameth » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:35 pm

For yourself you can build whatever you want. No company. even Lucas or Disney, can stop you from making or modifying something for yourself ever. Although if you put Mickey Mouse on anything and post it you will here from Disney. Lucas embraced Fan Films because he knew legally he probably could not stop them as long as they did not try to make any money but also even if he did bring legal action and somehow won he still could not stop them, so he wisely embraced them.

You would never want to try to sell a converted real firing gun but I assume you know that. Violation of many many Federal laws

For a regular Replica some companies who hold licenses have no problem with others offering stuff. EFX for example has issued no letters as far as I know and is well aware of private prop makers making stuff that directly competes with their stuff. Heck some of it is mentioned and shown in their own threads. I think they know they should not tick off their base.

Based on my very new research on QMX, mostly on what Badger and others have said that is not the case with QMX and they will stomp on you.


Is that correct guys??


So I assume you are talking about a custom job for you.
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Re: Model 47 help

Postby drewsmith007 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:36 pm

Making a firing replica is the reason I bought the QMX metal plated. I needed something with lineage to the screenused piece for size reference. I've been saying this for almost 3 years now, but I recently got a taurus model 94, which is the same frame as the model 85, just in 22lr instead of 38 special. It will eventually happen, but it's probably a little ways down the road still. I have absolutely zero plans to sell anything to do with it.
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Re: Model 47 help

Postby Jameth » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:51 pm

Looking at the cutaway of the hero with the Taurus showing it looks very doable. The biggest challenge, I would think, is the extended barrel and allowing for venting through the sides. Although the newer revolvers have a little piece to seal that so less pressure is lost when fired so maybe you don't need those vents.

I will be very curious to see this build.

Did you go with the 22 so it would be cheaper to shoot?

I am wondering if the Sidkit would work for you. It's metal, fairly soft but it would be mostly add on parts. Just the barrel would need to be done by a gunsmith. Since it would need to be custom they could probably do the entire barrel to look like Mals on the outside.

Oh, you should have them put a bigger hole in the end so it looks like Mals and not the smaller 22 hole it would have.

Very cool.
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Re: Model 47 help

Postby Badger » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:03 pm

This has disaster written all over it.

Firing guns for movies are built or converted by specialist weapon propmakers/armourers. I have several friends who are specialists of this type.

The pressures generated are not insignificant.

I would tread very carefully here....

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Re: Model 47 help

Postby drewsmith007 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:05 pm

You also have to cut the handle and weld on a new frame.

I went with 22lr because:

it's cheaper to shoot (by a factor of 10ish)
it's way easier on the hands, that 38 packs a bit of a punch
the revolver holds 9 rounds in 22lr vs 6 in 38 special
way less pressure involved, so it's safer

I'm not sure how I'm going to do the barrel. If I can get it to line up with the prop barrel, I might just have it shoot from the original barrel into a .380 false barrel. I'll probably find a gunsmith to mount a new barrel though, for safety reasons...
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